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The following was written by a friend of my brother Jay's, ya know we've all seen alot of B.S. gettin' flung around the internet lately , but this is something different. Everybody seems to be unsure about protestors, and whether or not their behavior is patriotic. Well, Glenn has come to set some of you, at least, straight.

Anyways, with no further adieu......, Glenn gonna testify to all ya'all!!

From Glen in Oregon...

Hello all,

I received an email the other day about a speech deriding the protesters of this war with Iraq as being unpatriotic.

I haven't gone off on a "rant" lately because I have been so disgusted to the point of nausea with the fact that our soldiers are now dying, explained away as "Patriotic" sacrifices they must make to protect our freedom.

So I am sorry if the following rambles a bit...

Obviously there seems to be a lot of confusion that the protesters to this invasion of Iraq are against the soldiers. The protesters ARE NOT protesting against the troops, we are protesting the policy that puts them in harms way. (in todays lingo... Don't hate the playa... Hate the game).

I can't imagine any one of us that doesn't want anything more than the soldiers to return safely. I would agree wholeheartedly that if any one would wish harm to one of our soldiers for doing their sworn duty then that person, at the very least, should have their citizenship revoked & be exported to some other part of the world (netherworld). (of course if they were to remain in the U.S. as an illegal alien, they would still receive the same services as an American citizen, which is BS, but that is another subject for another day).

The bottom line is our troops shouldn't be in Iraq at all.

Instead of putting our troops in harms way trying to remove some dictator in the desert, why aren't we going after other countries that WE KNOW to possess WMD's and have documented connections to terrorism? The fact that Iraq is the only recognized non secular government in the Middle East is one reason. Saddam uses religion to appeal to his people but he is not an ayatullah, (I think I spelled that right)

The fact that most of the terrorists of 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia, & along with Syria & Jordan have been supporting terrorists for years begs the question, why are we not "Liberating" those countries. Of course, If we were to invade these secularly governed countries I would imagine the "Jihad" ,(for lack of a better word), would make 9/11 look like child's play, because that would be construed as an direct attack on the Muslim faith, and not the current invasion of a dictators country that happens to have a large Muslim population.

As it is all of the Countries in the Middle East, except for Kuwait, are petitioning the U.N. to tell the U.S. & U.K. to cease this invasion of a neighbor they don't really care for. But if he was such a threat to them as our fearless leader keeps telling us then why aren't they jumping on the Coalition bandwagon?

A former CIA man, Richard Perle, made the comment recently that Iraq could possibly only be the beginning. Don't think that hasn't raised the anxiety of the other countries around Iraq. & based on Colin Powell's & Donald Rumsfeld's recent comments regarding Syria & Iran, it is starting to look like this may happen.

What about North Korea?

I guess the fact that there is huge $$$ investments in South Korea by Corporate America... also remeber who has North Korea's back?( I think the country's name is China... hmmm... been there done that...)

On another minor note, the Saudi who has been in the paper lately with a 5 million dollar reward from the FBI for his capture was once a "freedom fighter" for the Mujhadeen in Afghanistan, when they were fighting the Russians. Now he is a terrorist... WHO OUR COUNTRY HELPED TO TRAIN. (That has never happened before... yeah right... see Osama Bin Laden).

I am so tired of seeing Vietnam & WWII used as comparisons in the context they are right now.

Have the people of this country forgotten anything we learned from Vietnam?

As we are starting to see, as this war progresses, what is going on in Iraq is fast becoming another Vietnam.

Let's see... Our military leaders didn't practice wargames in the event that there were paramilitary sneak attacks on our soldiers??????? They only planned for an armored battle & now are not prepared for these suicide runs that are being made by pick up trucks on our tanks????? Did the Pentagon use the same intelligence sources to plan their wargames that also provided forged documents to try & convince the U.N. that Saddam tried to purchase nuclear ingredients from Niger????? ("But everything is going according to plan"... yeah right George & Donald).

Vietnam is one major example to use that the protesters ought to be listened to too. History has borne out that most of what the protesters back in the 60's & 70's were saying about corporate special interests being the reason for the war was true. Yet our government kept placing it under the guise of "stopping communism".

Did anyone catch the ticker on CNN the other night when it announced that Dick Cheney's old company, Haliburton, received the contract to put out the oil well fires... Hmmmmmmm. Think about it, If we weren't there those wells,(which our government told us would be set on fire if we invaded), wouldn't be on fire... (that was some correct intelligence) So maybe any profits realized by Haliburton for this job should go to the families of the soldiers who HAVE ALREADY DIED for a flawed foreign policy... (That will be the day).

& comparing this war to WWII is even more ridiculous. It is another case of apples & oranges.

I was almost sick the other night when I saw some of the news channels daily reports about Iraq referring to the "ALLIED" forces that were involved in a recent firefight.

To use the term "Allied" is a rather blatant propaganda move by our government to draw a subliminal connection to WWII, & an insult to the millions of lives that were lost to stop a TRUE threat.

Especially when this invasion is not supported by the majority of our (Former)"ALLIES". (But if it works for the "true believers" a.k.a. "Patriots" in this country, then it must be okay).

Did you read the Oregonian on, 03/25/03? There is a bill in the Oregon Senate to label any protester who acts out in a "violent" way, right down to breaking a window, to be put in jail for a mandatory minimum of 25 years & possibly for life. I do not agree with displays of violence by peace protesters as it seems to contradict the purpose, but then again there was a "Boston Tea Party" that was held when the colonists felt there was no other way to get the british royalty to listen to their concerns... so they hit em in the pocket book.

Thank god for the common sense of other representatives who shot this bill down in it's current language One of them even said, "What would our troops think about that", here they are "fighting for our freedom", (well actually the corporate special interests that directs the current & recent administrations policies). & they return home to find laws, some already in effect, (Patriot Act etc.), that restrict the very freedom they are supposedly fighting for.

But be warned the rep who sponsored it, (no... his name is not Saddam... it is Minnis), is going to go back to the drawing board & change the language to make it more "acceptable".

It seems that those who are against the protesters think that they have the market on what can & can't be said. Oh so that makes them a better American than I????? Sorry George if you do not like the questions that the press is asking you unless it is your scripted theatre act. There are actually a lot of people who do not support your agenda in Iraq & want to know why you are not addressing the problems in our own country that will do a lot more damage too our way of life then some dictator in the desert.

And since when does our president have a pipeline to God. I guess that isn't an insult to other religions who call America their home. I AM AN AMERICAN & I believe in God but it doesn't matter what my religion or faith is. The constitution, though written by mainly men of the christian faith, PURPOSELY did not use the word christianity in any part of the original document. They had just separated from a tyranny that used a specific religion to control & persecute the populace and did not want the same thing to be allowed to occur in this new FREE country. The people who wrote the constitution were extremely intelligent & though they could not have known of the "advances" that have been realized in just the past 50-100 years, they did know about base human behavior which has transcended history right from the beginning & therefore worded the constitution so that it could not be misconstrued by the general population OR THE COURTS. & could also be applied through any future generation as it was written.

Though it is generally accepted today that the United States is a christian based society, did you know there are more muslims here than in Afghanistan? I do not see them, the jews, the hari krishnas, etc. or even the atheists standing in lines to convert. They are here because they are allowed to practice their faith or non faith freely without fear of persecution. (at least for now... but that is changing everyday)

It wasn't until special interests became involved & knee jerk reactions to specific subjects that occured at times in our country's history that the constitution was amended to it's present watered down form. Heck the phrase "under god" wasn't even in the "Pledge of Allegiance until sometime in the 50's & I believe that was a direct result of McCarthyism. But that being said, "Under God" is just that, it does not specify a christian, jewish, muslim, buddhist, taoist or hindu god. (of course I guess if you are an atheist you can't be an American either based on this????).

If you say our troops are fighting for our freedom in another part of the world, then why are you so willing to watch the rights and way of life being taken away by our own government under the guise of fighting terrorists????????

At the rate they are passing new laws we will all be terrorists in the eyes of the government.

Our government needs to start looking at our foreign policy in a long term way as opposed to their short term reactive ways of the past few administrations, or we are going to see more & more Americans dying.

I apologize if this offends anyone, but right now there is just to much blind loyalty to an administration that is using token phrases of patriotism to support their corporate agenda & try to cover up the past & current mistakes of our country's foreign policy, and again AMERICAN SOLDIERS are DYING.

This isn't about democrats, republican, independents, or any other political party. It is about trying to take back control of the American government from Corporate leaders who see realize more $$$$ & power at the expense of American lives.

The protests are to try & wake up a population who has turned an apathetic eye to what has been going on around them & just lets the government do what it wants.

It is about exercising our rights as AMERICANS, & trying to stop OUR OWN government from taking away those rights.

I sent the following out the other day:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong,is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

And in the last issue of "The Independent",(our local paper for those not living in Vernonia) the editor quoted a passage from the Nuremburg trials of testimony by Hermann Goering, (I also had sent this out a few weeks ago)

"Why, of course the people don't want war... but, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship... voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

and when I see what has been going on in our country for the past few years & compare it to what Goering said in the 40's it is downright scary.

& of course the following should settle any question about protesters in our country

(Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So to put down a protester for not being patriotic is in itself a contradiction of what this country stands for.

I wish everyone in this address book my best wishes & hopes for the future.

"Freedom of Speech... (yeah, just watch what you say...)"

"Body Count"... early 90's

Best Regards,

Glen

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